1 00:00:18,639 --> 00:00:23,520 I arrived and all I could see was a male with his back to us and a female facing 2 00:00:23,520 --> 00:00:24,920 us. There was blood spatter. 3 00:00:25,160 --> 00:00:26,160 There's bullet. 4 00:00:26,240 --> 00:00:27,520 It's absolute chaos. 5 00:00:27,760 --> 00:00:31,240 I didn't know who the victims were and who the suspects were. 6 00:00:32,020 --> 00:00:35,840 They found a backpack strategically placed to go grab. 7 00:00:36,480 --> 00:00:38,580 You could definitely call it a murder kit. 8 00:00:39,110 --> 00:00:40,390 A hostage kit. 9 00:00:40,670 --> 00:00:44,390 We open the door of the shed and we can see a human foot. 10 00:00:44,850 --> 00:00:46,090 Our hearts drop. 11 00:00:48,090 --> 00:00:53,490 When it comes to people getting divorced or child custody issues, people lose 12 00:00:53,490 --> 00:00:54,490 their mind. 13 00:00:54,570 --> 00:01:00,210 She actually called his work and said he issued threats and they wouldn't let 14 00:01:00,210 --> 00:01:01,210 him in the building. 15 00:01:01,930 --> 00:01:07,150 There was one note that I recall that said crime equals desire, ability, and 16 00:01:07,150 --> 00:01:13,730 opportunity. The callousness behind this plan was something that I've never seen 17 00:01:13,730 --> 00:01:15,570 in my now 30 -year career. 18 00:01:33,770 --> 00:01:38,050 The city of Dublin sits about 20 miles from the city of Oakland. 19 00:01:38,750 --> 00:01:43,330 There's a growing community that has incorporated a lot of Silicon Valley 20 00:01:43,330 --> 00:01:48,950 of folks. We didn't have a whole lot of murders that take place. I'm guessing we 21 00:01:48,950 --> 00:01:52,050 probably had maybe one every other year at the time. 22 00:02:11,119 --> 00:02:16,680 About 5 .50 p .m., a call for service came out through dispatch. Gunshots were 23 00:02:16,680 --> 00:02:19,200 fired at a residence on the west end of town. 24 00:02:20,020 --> 00:02:25,020 I arrive, and I see my partner, who happened to get there before I did, and 25 00:02:25,020 --> 00:02:27,260 was out front talking with some of the neighbors. 26 00:02:27,780 --> 00:02:29,820 What we learned was that... 27 00:02:30,030 --> 00:02:33,010 Sally, who lived at the residence, had a boyfriend, Lester. 28 00:02:33,830 --> 00:02:35,210 She's 91 years old. 29 00:02:35,490 --> 00:02:41,330 Les is also in his 90s, and he calls her every day at 4 o 'clock. 30 00:02:42,170 --> 00:02:47,830 And Lester had repeatedly tried to get a hold of Sally that day, and she wasn't 31 00:02:47,830 --> 00:02:54,690 answering, and he became concerned. So he asked his son, Jeff, to respond to 32 00:02:54,690 --> 00:02:55,690 house. 33 00:02:55,750 --> 00:02:58,370 When the son got to the residence, the son... 34 00:02:58,650 --> 00:03:00,390 heard what he thought was a gunshot. 35 00:03:01,110 --> 00:03:05,550 At that point, the son went to the neighbor's house, and we received a 911 36 00:03:06,230 --> 00:03:07,650 So my partner and I entered. 37 00:03:09,230 --> 00:03:13,590 I could hear a huge commotion, yelling, screaming. 38 00:03:13,850 --> 00:03:15,470 You can kind of hear thumping. 39 00:03:16,010 --> 00:03:17,330 We can tell it was upstairs. 40 00:03:18,250 --> 00:03:19,650 We get to the top of the stairs. 41 00:03:19,990 --> 00:03:24,090 All I could see was a male facing away from us, laying in the hallway with his 42 00:03:24,090 --> 00:03:26,950 back to us, and a female standing in the hallway facing us. 43 00:03:27,950 --> 00:03:29,490 The female is covered in blood. 44 00:03:30,630 --> 00:03:34,910 There's an expandable baton on the ground that's bent. It looks like it's 45 00:03:34,910 --> 00:03:39,130 used to hit either the female or the male. We don't know. 46 00:03:39,370 --> 00:03:42,050 There was blood spattered. There's a stun gun. 47 00:03:42,330 --> 00:03:44,570 There's bullets on the floor. 48 00:03:47,150 --> 00:03:48,150 Absolute chaos. 49 00:03:48,870 --> 00:03:52,850 We started giving commands as we normally would, you know, show us your 50 00:03:54,440 --> 00:04:00,140 After telling everyone to stop, the male made a kind of this abrupt move. 51 00:04:00,740 --> 00:04:05,000 And although we didn't know who the suspect was, the male tends to be the 52 00:04:05,000 --> 00:04:10,240 aggressor in domestic violence. And given the fact that he's maybe trying to 53 00:04:10,240 --> 00:04:14,540 flee, try to get out of there. My partner deployed his taser to subdue 54 00:04:15,530 --> 00:04:22,330 And I can hear the male yelling out about his child, asking, where is my 55 00:04:22,330 --> 00:04:28,150 daughter, type of verbiage. And the female who's standing in front of me 56 00:04:28,150 --> 00:04:33,790 towards a bathroom. It's kind of eerie because there is a full -length mirror 57 00:04:33,790 --> 00:04:35,290 that bathroom door. 58 00:04:35,930 --> 00:04:41,630 In the reflection, what I saw was another woman dressed in all black who 59 00:04:41,630 --> 00:04:43,470 appeared to be hiding in the bedroom. 60 00:04:44,780 --> 00:04:47,200 Now I've got an additional person. 61 00:04:47,700 --> 00:04:54,440 And at that point, I had the rest of that hallway to search. I still had a 62 00:04:54,440 --> 00:04:57,800 to locate. Maybe more victims, maybe more suspects. 63 00:04:59,340 --> 00:05:01,080 I ordered her out of the bedroom. 64 00:05:01,320 --> 00:05:05,880 That same moment, I can hear other officers coming in and coming up the 65 00:05:05,880 --> 00:05:06,880 to assist. 66 00:05:06,920 --> 00:05:10,400 The male was handcuffed and escorted out of the house. 67 00:05:11,180 --> 00:05:15,520 They escort him to a patrol car, and they do a path search of him. 68 00:05:15,720 --> 00:05:17,720 He didn't have any weapons. 69 00:05:18,680 --> 00:05:21,820 The women are escorted out of the house as well. 70 00:05:22,340 --> 00:05:26,120 One female, she appears calm. 71 00:05:26,720 --> 00:05:31,160 The other woman, she's got some visible injuries to her. 72 00:05:31,380 --> 00:05:36,940 The male who has injuries, he's got redness all over his face, his head. 73 00:05:36,940 --> 00:05:38,680 swollen or starting to swell. 74 00:05:39,470 --> 00:05:41,330 He's been in a fight of some sort. 75 00:05:43,950 --> 00:05:50,610 My partner and I continued the search of the upstairs, and in the bathroom we 76 00:05:50,610 --> 00:05:55,130 located the daughter, a two -year -old girl. She was handed over to one of the 77 00:05:55,130 --> 00:05:59,390 other responding officers who escorted her or took her outside away from the 78 00:05:59,390 --> 00:06:00,390 residence. 79 00:06:00,910 --> 00:06:02,650 We didn't find anyone else in the house. 80 00:06:05,030 --> 00:06:07,710 We're trying to sort out who everybody is on scene. 81 00:06:09,070 --> 00:06:13,950 In talking to the two females on the curb line, we learned that one of them 82 00:06:13,950 --> 00:06:14,950 Rosa Hill. 83 00:06:15,210 --> 00:06:20,270 The other female we identified as May Lee, Rosa's mom. 84 00:06:21,350 --> 00:06:26,510 We found out that Rosa was married to Eric Hill, who was the individual 85 00:06:26,510 --> 00:06:27,830 handcuffed in the police car. 86 00:06:28,090 --> 00:06:31,870 They were estranged at that point, but they were married, and we found out that 87 00:06:31,870 --> 00:06:34,890 they did have, at the time, a two -year -old child in common. 88 00:06:35,590 --> 00:06:37,290 Eric lives here with his daughter. 89 00:06:38,410 --> 00:06:42,950 The two -year -old ultimately went into the care of Child Protective Services 90 00:06:42,950 --> 00:06:44,350 for that night. 91 00:06:45,190 --> 00:06:51,810 It appeared to me that we potentially have one or two female victims of 92 00:06:51,810 --> 00:06:58,630 domestic violence and this male suspect who has gotten into some sort of 93 00:06:58,630 --> 00:06:59,990 physical altercation with his wife. 94 00:07:00,890 --> 00:07:03,450 But we've got to figure out what the facts are. 95 00:07:05,230 --> 00:07:10,970 And in talking to Eric while he's in the back of a troll vehicle, he is frantic. 96 00:07:10,970 --> 00:07:15,270 He was concerned about his grandmother, Sally, and where she was. 97 00:07:16,130 --> 00:07:17,670 She's 91 years old. 98 00:07:17,950 --> 00:07:21,510 This was Sally's house, and she wasn't in the house. 99 00:07:22,130 --> 00:07:26,510 You can hear him talk about how she doesn't go anywhere, she doesn't drive. 100 00:07:27,370 --> 00:07:32,130 He's pretty much homebound, so she has to be somewhere in the residence. 101 00:07:33,360 --> 00:07:37,340 So our group of folks searched through the residence again, tried to find 102 00:07:37,580 --> 00:07:42,860 but we didn't find her. Very quickly, we looked in the backyard, but once again, 103 00:07:43,040 --> 00:07:44,120 we did not see her. 104 00:07:45,380 --> 00:07:49,120 And we're starting to get concerned about where she might be. 105 00:07:49,680 --> 00:07:53,360 At that point, we basically sealed the house off and made sure that there was 106 00:07:53,360 --> 00:07:54,940 entry into that location. 107 00:07:56,750 --> 00:08:01,450 When walking through the hallway upstairs, there was blood strewn 108 00:08:01,450 --> 00:08:06,410 walls. There was a stun gun up there. There was bullets on the ground. It 109 00:08:06,410 --> 00:08:08,930 like two different calibers of bullets that were on the ground. 110 00:08:09,810 --> 00:08:14,030 Why is there all these weapons? This isn't just a domestic, regular domestic 111 00:08:14,030 --> 00:08:15,990 violence incident that occurred. 112 00:08:16,410 --> 00:08:18,230 There's something else that went down. 113 00:08:18,510 --> 00:08:22,050 And now add in the fact that Sally is missing. 114 00:08:22,530 --> 00:08:24,930 The hair on the back of my neck is starting to stand up. 115 00:08:26,600 --> 00:08:31,860 When the officers conducted a search of the backyard, they found a backpack. 116 00:08:32,080 --> 00:08:36,740 And this backpack looked almost as if it was strategically placed underneath a 117 00:08:36,740 --> 00:08:42,940 wheelbarrow as to hide it or to set it up to go grab when needed. 118 00:08:43,659 --> 00:08:49,860 In that backpack were a set of handcuffs, a three -blade throwing star, 119 00:08:49,860 --> 00:08:55,040 saw, goggles, duct tape, rope, arrows for a crossbow gun. 120 00:08:57,040 --> 00:09:00,160 Why are these things here, and how do they fit into the puzzle of this 121 00:09:00,160 --> 00:09:06,660 investigation? How were they either used in this crime already, or how were they 122 00:09:06,660 --> 00:09:10,820 potentially staged at this location to be used at a later time? 123 00:09:13,040 --> 00:09:15,660 We asked Eric if the backpack belonged to him. 124 00:09:15,960 --> 00:09:20,660 We asked Rosa and May about the backpack, and nobody involved in this is 125 00:09:20,660 --> 00:09:23,220 to claim that the backpack belongs to them. 126 00:09:23,910 --> 00:09:28,450 And at that point in time, they do a path search of Rosa and May. 127 00:09:28,950 --> 00:09:34,590 And when they encounter Rosa, she happens to have a firearm in her pant 128 00:09:36,270 --> 00:09:40,450 Rosa said during the altercation that Eric produced a gun and threatened her. 129 00:09:40,770 --> 00:09:45,450 She said during the struggle that Eric dropped the gun and that she had picked 130 00:09:45,450 --> 00:09:46,450 it up. 131 00:09:46,510 --> 00:09:48,570 She said that she came to see. 132 00:09:49,180 --> 00:09:53,320 her two -year -old baby, and to talk about custody issues with Eric. 133 00:09:55,460 --> 00:10:00,700 When Rosa got there, the front door was left ajar. 134 00:10:01,440 --> 00:10:08,140 She goes in the house, saw that nobody was home, and waits for Eric. 135 00:10:09,100 --> 00:10:12,420 Her mother met her there because she was afraid of Eric. 136 00:10:13,360 --> 00:10:17,260 He had rage, and she said that Eric attacked her and her mother. 137 00:10:17,710 --> 00:10:21,050 And she was able to acquire the firearm because he pointed at her. 138 00:10:22,470 --> 00:10:27,370 Also, Rosa and May never encountered Sally while in the house. 139 00:10:28,970 --> 00:10:33,050 But Eric was blaming both May and Rosa that they had come and they were 140 00:10:33,050 --> 00:10:34,050 attacking him. 141 00:10:34,070 --> 00:10:38,790 We know that Eric has injuries. We know that May has injuries. 142 00:10:39,910 --> 00:10:43,010 Rosa really didn't have any injuries at all, but... 143 00:10:43,260 --> 00:10:47,760 All three individuals were taken and assessed medically, and then we're going 144 00:10:47,760 --> 00:10:48,880 be on route to the station. 145 00:10:51,940 --> 00:10:56,140 We really started wondering what was going on here, and we knew we needed to 146 00:10:56,140 --> 00:10:57,140 keep digging deeper. 147 00:10:59,040 --> 00:11:03,840 We're getting two different stories and trying to navigate who are real 148 00:11:03,840 --> 00:11:09,680 suspects. At the same time, finding Sally is extremely important, and we 149 00:11:09,680 --> 00:11:10,840 determine if... 150 00:11:11,470 --> 00:11:14,690 She is related to the assault investigation that's going on at this 151 00:11:14,970 --> 00:11:19,050 This case was crazy, like nothing that I'd ever seen in my law enforcement 152 00:11:19,050 --> 00:11:20,050 career. 153 00:11:21,650 --> 00:11:25,910 We want to know if there was previous violence involved with Eric and Rosa. 154 00:11:26,550 --> 00:11:31,510 We all went to a lawyer to see about getting some visitation rights. 155 00:11:32,170 --> 00:11:36,610 I tell mom, no matter what, no matter what, don't open the door. 156 00:11:37,050 --> 00:11:40,490 There was a Google search of how to murder. 157 00:11:40,960 --> 00:11:45,020 This was not a spur of the moment crime. This was really planned out. 158 00:12:01,900 --> 00:12:05,580 At this point in the investigation, multiple things are happening. There are 159 00:12:05,580 --> 00:12:07,620 several people doing several different things. 160 00:12:08,160 --> 00:12:12,340 We're searching that residence to try to find Sally. The property is rather 161 00:12:12,340 --> 00:12:14,200 large. I think it's about a half an acre. 162 00:12:14,720 --> 00:12:19,320 And I assigned officers to do a canvas of the area as well. 163 00:12:20,040 --> 00:12:25,880 At the same time, Rosa Hill, May Lee, and Eric Hill are being taken to the 164 00:12:25,880 --> 00:12:28,040 hospital to be treated for the injuries. 165 00:12:28,360 --> 00:12:32,840 While Rosa, May, and Eric were assessed medically, we want to know if there was 166 00:12:32,840 --> 00:12:35,580 previous violence involved with Eric and Rosa. 167 00:12:36,220 --> 00:12:40,820 And if there's anything that recently occurred that might have triggered this 168 00:12:40,820 --> 00:12:41,820 type of response. 169 00:12:42,300 --> 00:12:48,360 Eric's father, Greg, who was the son of Sally, lived out of state at the time. 170 00:12:48,480 --> 00:12:51,740 We called and we had a conversation with Greg Hill. 171 00:12:52,260 --> 00:12:57,180 And in talking to him, we found out that he already knew what was going on. 172 00:12:57,980 --> 00:13:03,340 I live out of state. And earlier that day, I got a call from Les, Mom's 173 00:13:03,340 --> 00:13:05,520 boyfriend of many years. 174 00:13:06,030 --> 00:13:07,370 And he was just frantic. 175 00:13:08,310 --> 00:13:11,350 They always spoke on the phone on the days that they weren't together. 176 00:13:12,030 --> 00:13:16,390 That day, he was calling her and calling her, and he couldn't get her. And he 177 00:13:16,390 --> 00:13:19,630 called me to say, you better come out here. Something's happened to Sally. 178 00:13:20,930 --> 00:13:23,790 He wasn't sure what. They couldn't find her. 179 00:13:25,430 --> 00:13:27,610 So I had to fly to California. 180 00:13:28,810 --> 00:13:32,950 And this had called his son to go over and check on my mom. 181 00:13:33,640 --> 00:13:36,960 And they had come to the house, and they couldn't tell what was happening. 182 00:13:37,480 --> 00:13:39,680 And so they called the police. 183 00:13:41,280 --> 00:13:46,940 And then Les had called and said that Eric had been handcuffed and put in a 184 00:13:46,940 --> 00:13:47,940 patrol car. 185 00:13:48,580 --> 00:13:49,900 And I'm like, what? 186 00:13:52,960 --> 00:13:57,640 They couldn't tell by the way things were going down, whether Eric was the 187 00:13:57,640 --> 00:13:59,820 aggressor or what was happening. 188 00:14:01,400 --> 00:14:02,660 I was shocked. 189 00:14:03,200 --> 00:14:10,200 But not really. I mean, by that time, trouble was well afoot. 190 00:14:13,000 --> 00:14:18,400 In 2002, Eric was working for the Alameda County Social Services. 191 00:14:18,620 --> 00:14:25,260 That's where he met May, and May introduced him ultimately to Rosa, who 192 00:14:25,260 --> 00:14:31,620 daughter. Rosa had worked in Silicon Valley as an information technician. 193 00:14:32,910 --> 00:14:38,530 When Eric first mentioned meeting Rosa, he talked about how much fun they had, 194 00:14:38,650 --> 00:14:39,990 how smart Rosa was. 195 00:14:40,310 --> 00:14:42,830 They seemed to like some of the same things. 196 00:14:43,310 --> 00:14:46,210 Eric was very, very happy when he met Rosa. 197 00:14:48,130 --> 00:14:54,610 We learned that Eric Hill and Rosa Hill had been married since 2005. 198 00:14:56,250 --> 00:15:01,010 Eric did tell me that as soon as the wedding was over, everything changed. 199 00:15:02,220 --> 00:15:07,460 It was no longer the sweet woman that he'd fallen in love with. 200 00:15:07,900 --> 00:15:13,360 But Eric was extremely happy one year later when he found out that they were 201 00:15:13,360 --> 00:15:14,360 going to have a baby. 202 00:15:15,140 --> 00:15:16,480 He just couldn't wait. 203 00:15:17,820 --> 00:15:22,960 But when the baby was born, that's when trouble really became evident. 204 00:15:23,660 --> 00:15:29,060 Rosa was no longer working, so he took on a second job working nights at 205 00:15:29,060 --> 00:15:30,060 Walgreens. 206 00:15:30,440 --> 00:15:32,140 But it never seemed to be enough. 207 00:15:32,940 --> 00:15:34,760 Rosa was never happy. 208 00:15:37,020 --> 00:15:43,020 And then very soon after the baby was born, Rosa kicked Eric out. 209 00:15:44,620 --> 00:15:50,200 And he went out to Dublin and told my mother, who was his grandmother. 210 00:15:51,180 --> 00:15:54,820 And that was the beginning of his living with her. 211 00:15:57,320 --> 00:16:03,420 So at that point, Rosa wouldn't let him see the baby, and we all went to a 212 00:16:03,420 --> 00:16:09,220 lawyer with Eric to see about getting some visitation rights anyway. 213 00:16:11,220 --> 00:16:15,960 During the custody hearings, there were many things that each of them had to do, 214 00:16:16,040 --> 00:16:20,960 and part of it was to see a family mediator, and I know she didn't follow 215 00:16:20,960 --> 00:16:21,960 through with that. 216 00:16:23,040 --> 00:16:26,540 Rosa was told to get a job. She didn't get a job. 217 00:16:27,020 --> 00:16:31,580 She didn't do any of the things the judge told her. Over time, Eric was 218 00:16:31,580 --> 00:16:34,120 more and more time with Elizabeth. 219 00:16:34,740 --> 00:16:36,160 That's when it got ugly. 220 00:16:37,680 --> 00:16:43,500 Rosa started making up stories around Eric molesting the baby. 221 00:16:46,100 --> 00:16:51,420 It was quite an ordeal for Eric to go through this, but he was cleared of all 222 00:16:51,420 --> 00:16:52,420 those allegations. 223 00:16:53,680 --> 00:16:55,200 And then Rosa... 224 00:16:55,420 --> 00:17:00,180 called his work and said he issued threats and they wouldn't let him in the 225 00:17:00,180 --> 00:17:06,099 building. They did have to put him on suspension, but then after they 226 00:17:06,099 --> 00:17:08,420 investigated everything, he got his job back. 227 00:17:09,460 --> 00:17:16,400 At that point, Eric was given 85 % physical custody and 100 % legal 228 00:17:18,140 --> 00:17:23,640 I was concerned for both Eric and my mother because Rosa was intent on making 229 00:17:23,640 --> 00:17:24,700 Eric's life hell. 230 00:17:25,450 --> 00:17:30,990 And I tell mom, no matter what, no matter what, don't open the door to 231 00:17:32,730 --> 00:17:39,630 There's something wrong. Rosa and Eric are estranged. They have separated, and 232 00:17:39,630 --> 00:17:43,330 Eric has received primary custody of their two -year -old. 233 00:17:43,550 --> 00:17:47,190 Why are these two females inside this house? 234 00:17:47,890 --> 00:17:50,530 We know that Sally Hill lives in this house. 235 00:17:51,180 --> 00:17:55,260 We know that there was an altercation upstairs, but we don't know where Sally 236 00:17:55,260 --> 00:17:56,880 is, and we don't know what happened to her. 237 00:17:58,120 --> 00:18:04,080 We continue to look for Sally, and kind of the last place that we hadn't 238 00:18:04,080 --> 00:18:10,860 searched yet was a shed that was on the side yard of the house, and it had a 239 00:18:10,860 --> 00:18:13,240 padlock, so it wasn't easily accessible. 240 00:18:13,580 --> 00:18:19,770 We went and got a bolt cutter, and as we cut the padlock and opened it, Our 241 00:18:19,770 --> 00:18:21,150 worst nightmares occurred. 242 00:18:31,530 --> 00:18:37,370 We continue to look for Sally, Eric's grandmother. She's 91 years old, lives 243 00:18:37,370 --> 00:18:39,430 this house, and we can't find her. 244 00:18:39,970 --> 00:18:46,750 We open the door to the shed in the backyard, and we see a 245 00:18:46,750 --> 00:18:47,750 garbage can. 246 00:18:48,360 --> 00:18:50,600 And we can see a human foot. 247 00:18:51,540 --> 00:18:56,420 And we all know that's Sally in the garbage can. 248 00:18:57,200 --> 00:18:59,420 And our hearts dropped. 249 00:19:00,580 --> 00:19:06,440 She was found with a plastic bag over her head, wrapped in sheets, wrapped in 250 00:19:06,440 --> 00:19:11,380 rope. There had been no respect for her whatsoever. 251 00:19:14,860 --> 00:19:18,420 The coroner's office was summoned and they came out and removed her body. 252 00:19:19,360 --> 00:19:23,880 And we now know that we have a homicide investigation. 253 00:19:25,300 --> 00:19:31,800 After finding Sally, we know that there's no reason for Eric to harm his 254 00:19:31,800 --> 00:19:37,400 grandmother. So at this point, he was considered to be a victim in this 255 00:19:37,400 --> 00:19:42,340 incident. And Rosa and May had no reason to go in that house without anybody's 256 00:19:42,340 --> 00:19:43,340 permission. 257 00:19:43,690 --> 00:19:49,650 We believe they are involved with Sally's murder, but we're still trying 258 00:19:49,650 --> 00:19:50,730 figure things out. 259 00:19:55,630 --> 00:19:59,430 And at the same time, when one of the officers was doing a canvas of the 260 00:19:59,430 --> 00:20:03,950 neighborhood, he located a vehicle that was occupied by an Asian male. 261 00:20:04,250 --> 00:20:07,070 He was about a block away from the crime scene. 262 00:20:07,510 --> 00:20:08,570 He had... 263 00:20:08,910 --> 00:20:13,750 Moved his feet back and was slouched down in the vehicle, almost like he 264 00:20:13,750 --> 00:20:14,689 want to be seen. 265 00:20:14,690 --> 00:20:20,150 He was identified as Ping Lee, the husband of May Lee and the father of 266 00:20:20,470 --> 00:20:25,610 He tells us that his wife, May, had asked him to take her to the residence 267 00:20:25,610 --> 00:20:29,690 Dublin, had asked him to drop her off about a block away. 268 00:20:31,020 --> 00:20:36,740 He knew that Sally lived there. He knew that his son -in -law was living there. 269 00:20:36,920 --> 00:20:42,900 And he also knew that May was going there to help out Rosa in some way. He 270 00:20:42,900 --> 00:20:46,400 denied knowing anything else. But we found it very strange that he would drop 271 00:20:46,400 --> 00:20:49,620 her off a block away, not in front of the house. 272 00:20:51,210 --> 00:20:54,210 From where we find him, we know that he was able to see everything that 273 00:20:54,210 --> 00:20:59,350 happened, and still at no time does he exit his vehicle or come and contact the 274 00:20:59,350 --> 00:21:03,810 police to see what's going on. He has now potentially brought the suspect to 275 00:21:03,810 --> 00:21:08,810 this crime, and he's taken back to the station for interviewing. 276 00:21:12,910 --> 00:21:18,070 Detectives return to the station to start conducting interviews of everybody 277 00:21:18,070 --> 00:21:19,070 involved. 278 00:21:19,920 --> 00:21:24,000 They had just gotten out of the hospital. Rosa really didn't have any 279 00:21:24,000 --> 00:21:25,000 at all. 280 00:21:25,120 --> 00:21:31,220 And Mae suffered a small laceration on her head requiring a couple stitches or 281 00:21:31,220 --> 00:21:36,740 more. Eric had laceration to his head, multiple taser probes. 282 00:21:37,580 --> 00:21:40,320 Eric had taser marks on the front of his body. 283 00:21:40,520 --> 00:21:45,160 Yes, Eric had been tased by our deputies, however he was tased in the 284 00:21:45,960 --> 00:21:52,080 So it was definitely evident that he had also been tased by either Rosa or May. 285 00:21:53,760 --> 00:21:58,400 He had an injury to his throat. There was definitely some pressure that had 286 00:21:58,400 --> 00:22:02,420 applied. You could see that there was redness and some swelling there as well. 287 00:22:02,520 --> 00:22:05,240 He basically was beaten all over the place. 288 00:22:06,760 --> 00:22:12,000 But going into Eric's interview, what I'm trying to find out is, step by step, 289 00:22:12,100 --> 00:22:13,980 how did this evolve to what it became? 290 00:22:16,340 --> 00:22:20,460 I really didn't think Rosa and May would do something like that. 291 00:22:21,260 --> 00:22:24,980 I thought things were finally getting normal until the very moment of the 292 00:22:24,980 --> 00:22:25,980 attack. 293 00:22:27,700 --> 00:22:31,640 I told the police when I first met Rosa. She was kind of shy. 294 00:22:32,140 --> 00:22:36,840 But once we started talking, I got to really see how smart she was. 295 00:22:37,040 --> 00:22:39,820 I got to become fascinated by her. 296 00:22:40,060 --> 00:22:44,720 But after we got married, Rosa started picking fights over everything. 297 00:22:45,930 --> 00:22:50,450 At a certain point, Rosa basically told me never to come back. 298 00:22:50,910 --> 00:22:57,370 And for about a year, she did not let me see my daughter. That was devastating. 299 00:22:58,110 --> 00:23:05,070 And that's why I had to start court proceedings. And I sued for 50 300 00:23:05,070 --> 00:23:06,210 -50 custody. 301 00:23:08,010 --> 00:23:13,570 Once I was granted some custody of my daughter, Rosa started getting really 302 00:23:13,570 --> 00:23:14,570 and vindictive. 303 00:23:14,990 --> 00:23:19,570 And when she made these accusations that I was abusing and molesting my 304 00:23:19,570 --> 00:23:26,510 daughter, I was dumbstruck. She did that, not because they were 305 00:23:26,510 --> 00:23:29,570 true, but because they would hurt me. And it worked. 306 00:23:31,690 --> 00:23:38,590 But by January of 2009, I had 85 % fiscal custody and 100 307 00:23:38,590 --> 00:23:39,750 % legal custody. 308 00:23:40,430 --> 00:23:42,290 We kind of developed a routine. 309 00:23:43,310 --> 00:23:49,570 With the custody, doing our handoffs and trades, and May was always the one that 310 00:23:49,570 --> 00:23:50,549 did the talking. 311 00:23:50,550 --> 00:23:52,570 Rosa just stood in the background. 312 00:23:53,190 --> 00:23:56,570 I thought they came to accept what was going on. 313 00:23:57,770 --> 00:24:03,590 And then the police let me know that they had found that my grandmother was 314 00:24:03,590 --> 00:24:05,410 dead. 315 00:24:08,010 --> 00:24:09,850 I broke down and cried. 316 00:24:11,050 --> 00:24:13,210 I definitely feel lucky to be alive. 317 00:24:24,170 --> 00:24:26,770 In talking to Eric, he was very emotional. 318 00:24:27,450 --> 00:24:31,390 And he had just gotten out of the hospital. He just got beat. 319 00:24:32,530 --> 00:24:36,730 And he was very much upset about his grandmother. 320 00:24:37,810 --> 00:24:39,030 She was always... 321 00:24:39,610 --> 00:24:42,770 big on family, and she loved being a grandmother. 322 00:24:43,250 --> 00:24:49,790 I never dreamed that Rosa and Mae would do something like that. 323 00:24:51,310 --> 00:24:54,890 You can see his physical reaction recalling the events. 324 00:25:01,710 --> 00:25:05,590 In the morning, like any other day, I went to work. 325 00:25:05,790 --> 00:25:07,610 I got off at 5. 326 00:25:08,700 --> 00:25:13,460 And I went down to the daycare center and picked up my daughter and drove 327 00:25:13,460 --> 00:25:15,460 straight home the way I normally did. 328 00:25:16,280 --> 00:25:23,100 But when I got there, Les' son Jeff and his wife 329 00:25:23,100 --> 00:25:25,260 Uta were up by the front door. 330 00:25:26,320 --> 00:25:32,020 Les was the guy my grandmother was dating, and he had called multiple 331 00:25:32,020 --> 00:25:33,640 she never answered the phone. 332 00:25:33,920 --> 00:25:37,520 He was really worried about my grandmother's welfare. 333 00:25:38,399 --> 00:25:45,180 Les, also in his 90s, sent his son, Jeff, to go and check on her. 334 00:25:47,140 --> 00:25:48,640 They stayed by the front door. 335 00:25:49,920 --> 00:25:53,020 I went upstairs and I was carrying my daughter with me. 336 00:25:53,300 --> 00:25:57,380 By the time I got to my grandmother's room, I didn't see her. 337 00:25:59,680 --> 00:26:02,260 I heard a noise behind me. 338 00:26:04,240 --> 00:26:06,920 And I turned around and I saw... 339 00:26:07,240 --> 00:26:13,060 May in the hallway, and I was like, why are you here? 340 00:26:13,500 --> 00:26:19,060 And she said that my grandmother had called her because she needed help, 341 00:26:19,060 --> 00:26:22,040 made no sense because my grandmother would have called a bunch of other 342 00:26:22,040 --> 00:26:23,040 first. 343 00:26:23,300 --> 00:26:26,240 May said that my grandmother was down in the garage. 344 00:26:26,800 --> 00:26:33,760 I asked May to watch my daughter. I put her down, but as I was running out 345 00:26:33,760 --> 00:26:35,780 of the room, Rosa... 346 00:26:36,640 --> 00:26:39,100 stepped out, and hit me with a stun gun. 347 00:26:41,060 --> 00:26:45,740 Apparently it made a loud noise because it scared Jeff and Uta, and they ran out 348 00:26:45,740 --> 00:26:48,660 and went over to the neighbor's house to call the police. 349 00:26:49,920 --> 00:26:56,340 May started hitting me with the baton, and Rosa was 350 00:26:56,340 --> 00:26:57,580 kicking me. 351 00:26:58,440 --> 00:27:03,180 When I started seeing blood dripping down my face, that's when I realized 352 00:27:03,180 --> 00:27:04,420 is definitely a... 353 00:27:06,440 --> 00:27:07,700 A live or die moment. 354 00:27:08,380 --> 00:27:09,820 I started fighting back. 355 00:27:10,160 --> 00:27:12,800 But then they knocked me over onto my back. 356 00:27:15,140 --> 00:27:17,840 May was choking me with the baton. 357 00:27:18,280 --> 00:27:22,240 And at this moment, Rosa came out of the room with the gun. 358 00:27:23,080 --> 00:27:24,900 And pointed it at my chest. 359 00:27:27,000 --> 00:27:28,940 And told me to stop fighting. 360 00:27:33,780 --> 00:27:35,120 At this point... 361 00:27:37,420 --> 00:27:38,420 I gave up. 362 00:27:41,280 --> 00:27:48,260 And, you know, they said, will you give up custody? 363 00:27:48,320 --> 00:27:49,460 And I said yes. 364 00:27:51,880 --> 00:27:55,300 About this time is when I heard a siren outside. 365 00:27:58,860 --> 00:28:02,340 They would have killed me definitely if the cops hadn't shown up. 366 00:28:04,680 --> 00:28:11,180 In talking to Eric, Everything was consistent, but it was very sad to have 367 00:28:11,180 --> 00:28:12,700 individual recall these events. 368 00:28:12,940 --> 00:28:16,200 Of course, Eric was no longer being considered a suspect. 369 00:28:16,660 --> 00:28:20,220 So after his interview, we allowed him to leave. 370 00:28:21,840 --> 00:28:27,440 My phone rings, and it's Eric telling me they had found Sally's body. 371 00:28:28,300 --> 00:28:31,640 I could hardly take it in that this could actually happen. 372 00:28:32,880 --> 00:28:35,940 It was just a nightmare, a traumatic nightmare. 373 00:28:37,300 --> 00:28:42,500 And I had to take him over to the Division of Family Services so he could 374 00:28:42,500 --> 00:28:43,239 the baby. 375 00:28:43,240 --> 00:28:49,180 It was a huge relief to finally see her again and be able to pick her up and 376 00:28:49,180 --> 00:28:50,180 hold her. 377 00:28:54,240 --> 00:28:59,480 At this point, Rosa and May are our prime suspects in this crime. 378 00:28:59,860 --> 00:29:01,580 Now what we want to know is... 379 00:29:01,840 --> 00:29:02,960 Why did they do this? 380 00:29:03,240 --> 00:29:04,920 Why did they have to kill Sally? 381 00:29:05,700 --> 00:29:08,260 Did she just get in the way? Was it on purpose? 382 00:29:08,500 --> 00:29:13,060 We need to continue to dig and find more evidence to tell what was really going 383 00:29:13,060 --> 00:29:16,540 on. At this point in the investigation, multiple things are happening. 384 00:29:16,740 --> 00:29:20,300 Detectives are interviewing Rosa, May, and Ping. 385 00:29:21,500 --> 00:29:26,140 Investigators are at the house conducting further analysis of the 386 00:29:27,210 --> 00:29:32,490 And while doing another canvas of the area around Sally's residence, looking 387 00:29:32,490 --> 00:29:38,550 anything or any evidence that may help in our case, we found an Acura Integra a 388 00:29:38,550 --> 00:29:41,010 block and a half away from our crime scene. 389 00:29:41,510 --> 00:29:47,870 A registration check of that vehicle came back to May Lee, and the keys to 390 00:29:47,870 --> 00:29:50,230 Acura were found in Rose's possession. 391 00:29:51,930 --> 00:29:56,230 That was definitely a vehicle of interest that we wanted to search 392 00:29:58,030 --> 00:30:03,610 Inside the Acura Integra, we found a hackthaw, we found a samurai sword, we 393 00:30:03,610 --> 00:30:08,570 found a crossbow, we found handcuffs, we found .22 caliber bullets. 394 00:30:09,350 --> 00:30:15,210 Finding all these just crazy pieces of evidence in vehicles and backpacks at 395 00:30:15,210 --> 00:30:19,870 scene, this was not a spur -of -the -moment crime. This was really planned 396 00:30:20,970 --> 00:30:24,950 Also, the coroner's office did an autopsy of Sally. 397 00:30:25,530 --> 00:30:28,170 Her cause of death was found to be strangulation. 398 00:30:28,570 --> 00:30:33,590 She was also found to have lacerations to the head and to the hand, consistent 399 00:30:33,590 --> 00:30:39,250 with being struck with a metal object. We believe metal, police, baton, as well 400 00:30:39,250 --> 00:30:42,870 as puncture wounds, which were able to associate to a taser. 401 00:30:46,670 --> 00:30:51,830 When we interview May, she immediately invoked her right to an attorney, so we 402 00:30:51,830 --> 00:30:53,290 don't question her any further. 403 00:30:53,630 --> 00:30:59,180 Ping just... basically says that he had driven May to the scene and was waiting 404 00:30:59,180 --> 00:31:01,240 for May to resurface. 405 00:31:01,840 --> 00:31:08,440 Rosa still claimed that she was there with her mother, May, to confront him 406 00:31:08,440 --> 00:31:10,580 about child custody, have a conversation. 407 00:31:10,900 --> 00:31:15,100 Eric attacks her and her mother, and she is just merely trying to defend 408 00:31:15,100 --> 00:31:16,100 herself. 409 00:31:16,780 --> 00:31:21,040 But we share with Rosa that we're taking her into custody, that we're going to 410 00:31:21,040 --> 00:31:26,100 be taking her clothing, we're going to be taking her DNA, and no emotional 411 00:31:26,100 --> 00:31:27,100 response. 412 00:31:27,320 --> 00:31:34,020 May was also arrested for murder, and Ping Lee is arrested for accessory 413 00:31:34,020 --> 00:31:35,020 to murder. 414 00:31:35,720 --> 00:31:39,780 Based on the evidence that we have found throughout our investigation, this 415 00:31:39,780 --> 00:31:43,380 wasn't just a crime that just popped up and happened. 416 00:31:43,620 --> 00:31:45,620 This crime was... 417 00:31:46,170 --> 00:31:50,750 planned out. But now we need to put all the pieces of the puzzle together to 418 00:31:50,750 --> 00:31:53,950 prove this case and tell the story of why it happened. 419 00:31:54,790 --> 00:32:01,570 We identify that Rosa lived at a residence in Fremont and that May and 420 00:32:01,570 --> 00:32:06,850 lived at a residence in Antioch. So we authored search warrants for all of the 421 00:32:06,850 --> 00:32:09,950 residents that they were associated with. 422 00:32:10,590 --> 00:32:12,210 But nothing... 423 00:32:13,060 --> 00:32:15,220 Significant is located at either location. 424 00:32:16,920 --> 00:32:20,740 The residence in Antioch, it was weird because it didn't look like anybody had 425 00:32:20,740 --> 00:32:22,720 lived in there. So we were a little puzzled by that. 426 00:32:22,980 --> 00:32:26,300 And I'm like, I'm going to check one of our databases to see if they have any 427 00:32:26,300 --> 00:32:29,040 previous residences that they might be staying at still. 428 00:32:29,580 --> 00:32:34,400 So I learned that there was a Brentwood address that we had no prior knowledge 429 00:32:34,400 --> 00:32:39,360 of. And I reached out to the U .S. Postal Inspector, and all three of them, 430 00:32:39,440 --> 00:32:43,080 Rosa, May, and Ping, were receiving mail at the Brentwood location. 431 00:32:44,600 --> 00:32:48,420 Get a search warrant for the Brentwood house, and that's where we just discover 432 00:32:48,420 --> 00:32:51,180 just a plethora of evidence. 433 00:32:53,200 --> 00:32:55,340 It was like a goldmine. 434 00:33:09,710 --> 00:33:13,810 We served the search warrant at the Brentwood residence, and as soon as we 435 00:33:13,810 --> 00:33:17,590 breached that door, it was a goldmine full of evidence. 436 00:33:19,730 --> 00:33:26,050 We found the boxes from the tasers. There were receipts to items that were 437 00:33:26,050 --> 00:33:27,190 at the crime scene. 438 00:33:27,670 --> 00:33:33,990 There was a computer, and the computer was collected and taken to a forensic 439 00:33:33,990 --> 00:33:36,410 to see what kind of searches were done. 440 00:33:39,420 --> 00:33:42,180 directly linked to Eric and to Sally. 441 00:33:43,020 --> 00:33:47,960 Some were up in the master bedroom, some were down in common areas like the 442 00:33:47,960 --> 00:33:54,280 kitchen. There was a list of troublemakers where Sally's name was 443 00:33:54,280 --> 00:33:55,280 with Eric. 444 00:33:56,740 --> 00:34:03,740 There was one note, revenge for Rosa, which to me meant that revenge was 445 00:34:03,740 --> 00:34:08,480 going to be against Eric, the one that was taking custody away from Rosa. 446 00:34:10,409 --> 00:34:15,889 Another note that we found said crime equals desire, ability, and opportunity. 447 00:34:16,810 --> 00:34:20,969 We found notes where they were stalking Eric. 448 00:34:21,190 --> 00:34:25,210 What time he got home, what time he left, when he went somewhere. 449 00:34:25,929 --> 00:34:28,510 So they knew that they would encounter Sally. 450 00:34:28,850 --> 00:34:35,570 So they had to have a plan on how that was going to occur before they took out 451 00:34:35,570 --> 00:34:36,570 Eric. 452 00:34:37,520 --> 00:34:42,500 So after we conclude collecting all the evidence at the Brentwood address, we 453 00:34:42,500 --> 00:34:45,280 wanted more evidence to help bolster our case. 454 00:34:45,540 --> 00:34:51,139 We want to know where these weapons were obtained, who made those purchases, and 455 00:34:51,139 --> 00:34:52,139 when they were purchased. 456 00:34:53,080 --> 00:34:59,360 Tasers, they have serial numbers. So in contacting Taser about the one that was 457 00:34:59,360 --> 00:35:03,600 left at the crime scene, they informed us where the tasers were purchased, and 458 00:35:03,600 --> 00:35:09,570 we did some follow -up there with... the individual who sold the taser. He 459 00:35:09,570 --> 00:35:16,070 described selling the two particular tasers to an older Asian 460 00:35:16,070 --> 00:35:22,970 female. The purchase occurred about two weeks or so before Sally's murder and 461 00:35:22,970 --> 00:35:25,130 the violent attack on Eric. 462 00:35:26,510 --> 00:35:31,490 And then in follow -up, we were able to determine that anybody who purchases a 463 00:35:31,490 --> 00:35:34,830 taser has to pay like an activation fee. 464 00:35:35,550 --> 00:35:40,510 So in looking up the associated serial numbers to the two tasers that were 465 00:35:40,510 --> 00:35:44,490 purchased, the credit card that was used belonged to May Lee. 466 00:35:45,590 --> 00:35:51,770 This solidifies that May was involved with this murder plan from the 467 00:35:54,570 --> 00:35:57,310 Next, these firearms, where did they come from? 468 00:35:57,870 --> 00:36:02,350 Looking at the serial numbers, we were able to determine that one of the 469 00:36:02,350 --> 00:36:05,150 firearms was purchased at a gun show in Nevada. 470 00:36:05,490 --> 00:36:08,550 We were able to make contact with the individual that sold it. 471 00:36:08,770 --> 00:36:14,030 And in talking to him, we found out that he remembered quite clearly the 472 00:36:14,030 --> 00:36:16,410 individuals that he sold his firearm to. 473 00:36:16,690 --> 00:36:22,870 And it was to two Asian females who he described as lucky if they were 100 474 00:36:22,870 --> 00:36:24,170 pounds wet. 475 00:36:25,100 --> 00:36:30,040 Rosa and Mae went to the gun show in October, way before the crime actually 476 00:36:30,040 --> 00:36:37,040 occurred. And as we continue to investigate, we learn that Rosa went 477 00:36:37,040 --> 00:36:38,380 to Reno before that. 478 00:36:39,260 --> 00:36:43,800 We were able to identify a co -worker of hers that took a trip with her to Reno 479 00:36:43,800 --> 00:36:50,400 a couple months prior to the homicide. And she made some odd purchases at a 480 00:36:50,400 --> 00:36:52,920 sporting goods store, two samurai swords. 481 00:36:53,820 --> 00:36:56,400 and a bow and arrow set. 482 00:36:57,420 --> 00:37:03,940 And we ended up finding those inside Rose's car that was left unseen. 483 00:37:08,660 --> 00:37:14,220 And then we get the results from the forensic lab on the computer, and the 484 00:37:14,220 --> 00:37:20,140 thing that just jumps off the paper is a Google search of how to murder. 485 00:37:26,990 --> 00:37:29,910 There were several other things that were found on that computer. 486 00:37:30,510 --> 00:37:35,430 Confusion in elderly, medications that are used for the elderly, things that 487 00:37:35,430 --> 00:37:41,350 would really relate or show maybe what was planned to happen to Sally. 488 00:37:42,810 --> 00:37:48,390 Rose had developed a hatred of my grandmother because as I was starting to 489 00:37:48,390 --> 00:37:53,990 in the courts, she assumed that my grandmother was paying for the attorney, 490 00:37:54,230 --> 00:37:55,470 which was not true. 491 00:37:56,250 --> 00:38:02,610 It was clear that they had put all the blame on Eric and Sally for the custody 492 00:38:02,610 --> 00:38:03,610 issues. 493 00:38:04,950 --> 00:38:10,050 And the contents of the backpack, definitely they spoke to what their 494 00:38:10,050 --> 00:38:11,050 was. 495 00:38:11,150 --> 00:38:18,150 You could definitely call it a murder kit, a hostage kit. They 496 00:38:18,150 --> 00:38:22,790 brought that there with full intent to use on Sally and Eric. 497 00:38:38,520 --> 00:38:43,800 So when looking at the evidence recovered from the Brentwood residence, 498 00:38:43,800 --> 00:38:46,320 clear that this murder was premeditated. 499 00:38:48,240 --> 00:38:54,900 There was a letter found which was titled Operation Custody, a plan to 500 00:38:54,900 --> 00:38:57,420 murder Sally and Eric. 501 00:38:58,860 --> 00:39:01,700 to gain full custody of Rosa and Eric's daughter. 502 00:39:05,760 --> 00:39:11,880 The plan began in fall of 2008 when Rosa becomes obsessed with gaining full 503 00:39:11,880 --> 00:39:15,440 custody of her daughter and will do anything to make it happen. 504 00:39:15,720 --> 00:39:20,740 She and her mother, May, named their plot Operation Custody. Over the 505 00:39:20,740 --> 00:39:24,180 month, they look at ways to commit and get away with murder. 506 00:39:25,360 --> 00:39:30,120 First, they researched deadly substances including arsenic, cyanide, strychnine, 507 00:39:30,240 --> 00:39:32,080 mustard gas, and ammonia. 508 00:39:32,520 --> 00:39:38,220 After deciding against poisons or toxins, the pair began amassing an 509 00:39:38,220 --> 00:39:42,980 cache of weapons from guns and tasers to a samurai sword and crossbow. 510 00:39:43,400 --> 00:39:48,160 They then assembled their kill kit and decided to execute their plan. 511 00:39:48,600 --> 00:39:53,320 On the day of the murder, they drive to my house, planning to murder Sally and 512 00:39:53,320 --> 00:39:54,320 me. 513 00:39:54,700 --> 00:40:00,000 Once inside the residence, Rosa may beat and strangle Sally to death, stuff her 514 00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:03,600 body into a garbage can, and lie in wait for Eric to come home. 515 00:40:04,220 --> 00:40:10,080 When Eric arrived at home, they ambush him and begin using the baton and 516 00:40:10,720 --> 00:40:13,660 And after all that, they plan to kill Eric. 517 00:40:14,280 --> 00:40:18,480 Which they thought would result in Rosa being granted full custody. 518 00:40:23,600 --> 00:40:28,960 This plan was so intricate, and it all fell apart because Lester really cared 519 00:40:28,960 --> 00:40:29,960 about my grandmother. 520 00:40:30,280 --> 00:40:35,400 If he wouldn't have called Jeff and Uta, and if they hadn't shown up and called 521 00:40:35,400 --> 00:40:38,440 the cops, May and Rosa would have gotten away with it. 522 00:40:39,220 --> 00:40:42,540 I definitely feel like I've been blessed on that front. 523 00:40:46,120 --> 00:40:51,820 Two years later, in 2011, May and Rosa to trial. 524 00:40:52,590 --> 00:40:58,230 for the murder of Sally Hill and attempted murder of Eric Hill. 525 00:40:59,250 --> 00:41:00,810 They were convicted. 526 00:41:01,670 --> 00:41:05,670 An Antioch woman and her mother were convicted today in the killing of a 91 527 00:41:05,670 --> 00:41:09,750 -year -old great -grandmother. Selma Hill's body was found stuffed into a 528 00:41:09,750 --> 00:41:10,750 garbage... 529 00:41:21,470 --> 00:41:28,190 callousness behind this plan was something that I've never seen in my now 530 00:41:28,190 --> 00:41:29,190 30 -year career. 531 00:41:30,110 --> 00:41:36,450 When it comes to people getting divorced or child custody issues, people lose 532 00:41:36,450 --> 00:41:37,308 their mind. 533 00:41:37,310 --> 00:41:42,730 But for a family to be involved in the actual 534 00:41:42,730 --> 00:41:48,910 execution of a murder plan is unique. 535 00:41:59,760 --> 00:42:06,300 I have to say that as bad as this experience was, my daughter's done well. 536 00:42:06,600 --> 00:42:09,420 Great kid who's been my best friend. 537 00:42:10,320 --> 00:42:14,980 She's been able to have a better relationship with my side of the family, 538 00:42:14,980 --> 00:42:17,600 I don't know if she ever would have had this not happened. 539 00:42:18,800 --> 00:42:21,420 I just try to focus on the good. 540 00:42:33,930 --> 00:42:37,070 I have great memories of my mom, wonderful memories. 541 00:42:37,570 --> 00:42:41,850 I love my mom's smile. I love my mom's heart. 542 00:42:42,270 --> 00:42:46,010 She was always empathizing with me and everybody else. 543 00:42:47,330 --> 00:42:49,750 Pull it all together, she was amazing. 544 00:42:52,910 --> 00:42:53,910 I was lucky. 545 00:42:54,110 --> 00:42:55,110 I was lucky. 546 00:42:55,310 --> 00:42:56,310 Very lucky.